Well, here we go again.
FACT: The three terror bombings that killed at least 56 people in Jordan’s capital yesterday occured 9.11.2005 in the European date format.
The more this kind of stuff happens, the less surprising it becomes. This is the second time this year that we’ve seen a connection between a terrorist attack and the date. See the Group of 77 entry.
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so, does that mean the jordanian bombers are so dumb they don’t know september from november? after all, september 11 is 11.9.2005 in the European date format.
I don’t know if I’d call ’em dumb.
The whole point of this nonsense is to provoke. And here we are, blogging about it. It’s working. Yikes.
i’d call whoever thinks that this nonsense is anything other than nonsense is pretty dumb, b/c the implication is that the bombers are too stupid to know september from november. unless there’s something more to this 11.9 v. 9.11 thing than there appears to be, which i doubt. but i’m just repeating myself now…
It never even crossed my mind that they were confusing September with November. It wasn’t part of today’s observation.
What’s notable is that the numbers are rearranged anagrammatically. One of the oldest forms of code known to man.
Anybody who thinks they’ve got these guys figured out is kidding themselves. It’s probably best to be incapable of understanding this, since only a sick mind would ever go there in the first place.
well, if 11/9 in euro format is 9/11, and there’s some implicit significance there vis the bombing, and you’re talking about september 11 (9.11, after all), i’m a bit surprised that the difference in months involved never crossed your mind since that’s what the numbers stand for after all. it all feels like a stretch to read something into what’s more likely a coincidence.
but if it’s arguably not a coincidence, then how does the fact that al qaeda has claimed responsibility and stated that the jordanian bombings are in response to the iraq war affect the argument that iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, or with saddam’s regime in iraq? anyone with a preference for pretzels over bones would find many logical connections, i’m sure.
v
clarification of the above:
i meant to say, the argument that iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, or al qaeda (and thus 9/11) with saddam’s regime in iraq.
The US is virtually the only country that uses 911 as an emergency number. Britain uses 999, most of EU use 112. Israel uses 100, 101, and 102. I think this theory, while it may hold a little water for the September 11 attacks, is pretty flimsy. If Al-Qaeda’s main goal was to provoke the US alone, maybe this could fly.
Al-Qaeda’s main goal is not to “provoke” as you mentioned above, but to DESTROY the JEWS and the crusaders. There is a huge difference here considering our current topic. The main reason that the crusaders are targeted is for their centuries-old support for the jews. So it follows that if they were trying to send a hidden message, at least one would have got through to Israel’s local numbers. On a side note, when Al-Qaeda sends a message, it’s anything but hidden. To attack a Middle Eastern city on a day that reads the US’s emergency number only when transliterated in to European format is not very clear.
Speaking of messages, Al Qaeda took credit for the attack claiming the dictator has allied with the enemies. It’s very clear that they are attacking anyone and everyone that doesn’t subscribe to the fundamental Islam they are touting. To claim that they chose to do it on a date that has special meaning for at most one half of “the jews and the crusaders” cheapens the sting that Jordanians are feeling right now.
Lastly, there are suicide bombings EVERY DAY in the middle east. I’m sure you know that it’s statistically more improbable that there would be NO coincidences than it is that a bombing every day would eventually land on a day that has a significant meaning for 4% of the people on earth.
I’m still trying to wrap my brain around that entry!
Not sure what the question was, but I wasn’t saying — nor have I concluded — that any of this has anything to do with Iraq.
My interest here lies in the numbers’ implications, and the sickly creative thought processes fueling the intentions behind these types of bombings. This doesn’t mean I have an interest in world politics. Think of my observation as a study in Psychology or Communications, not Political Science.
You point out the difference in the months (September and November), linking this obvious two month discrepancy to some sort of confusion or ignorance on the part part of the bombers. This perceived ignorance the terrorists have for the calendar has nothing to do with anything that I was thinking.
but didn’t you open by saying:
“This is the second time this year that we’ve seen a connection between a terrorist attack and the date.”
if the months have nothing to do with the numbers that stand for months in the dates you brought up in your original post, then SFW, as they say.
btw, i didn’t take the position that the bombers were ignorant; rather, i was trying to point out that the argument that 11/9 = 9/11 was the/a message of this bombing appears to depend on a belief that the bombers are either ignorant of the date distinction, or, more charitably, that the bombers think that superficial symbolism of the type you pointed out with the reversal of day/months might make them seem clever or something. this could very well be, although it seems to be something that has gone overlooked by the worldwide media. of course, most of the worldwide media considers the UN a bastion of ethical sanctity…
incidentally, the bit about iraq, etc. was a joke. i believe that these bombers were trying for irony with their choice of numbers about as much as i believe that al qaeda’s claim that the bombings in jordan were cued by the iraq war somehow ties iraq to 9/11 (because, well, al qaeda was responsible for 9/11, and now they say they’re pissed off about iraq, so, like, iraq must be involved with 9/11 somehow or other… pass the bong). the logic just seems pretty stretched to me. or just not that important.
besides, the idea that every islamofascist terrorist thinks about how to tie into the american popular sense of irony his acts wherever they take place in the world strikes me as a sort of american elevated-self-regard. my guess is that they don’t care about us as much as we think they do. the psychology of these guys’ actions and the (geo)politics beyond the “islam vs. USA” oversimplification might be linked somehow.
then again, maybe i’m crazy and it really is all about entertaining us yankee yokels with number games to distract us from thinking about how to kill the bad guys faster, before they kill us first…
in other words, if you think they were trying to send a message about 9/11, i suppose we’ll just have to take your word for it.
v
Is it inconceivable that an insane serial killer — or a joint group of them — can find a perverse sense of satisfaction by leaving clues about their identity @ the crime scene? We’ve seen this type of thing before in both reality and Hollywood. Seven!
Do you disregard the intellectual message behind the attack in 2001, blowing it off as coincidence? American Airlines? United Airlines? The date of 9/11 itself?
But perhaps you’re right. Maybe this is all nothing more than random violence sprinkled with coincidences.
Seeing that you’re so versed in world politics, enlighten us all on what’s up with The Group of 77. Nobody seems to know.
To claim that they chose to do it on a date that has special meaning for at most one half of “the jews and the crusaders” cheapens the sting that Jordanians are feeling right now.
The notion that 11.9/9.11 has no “real meaning” because it has no cultural connection to Jordan seems to be arguing another topic.
A serial killer doesn’t necessarily leave clues that point to his victims; he leaves clues that point to himself. This is done by creating a perceivable pattern. That pattern can be obvious, or it can be abstract. Depends on how creative he is.
Not unlike a graffiti tagger who’s also deeply troubled by the world he lives in, he’s leaving his mark to let you know he was involved. Somehow getting off on it. He’s not using spray paint to describe that overhanging bridge @ Exposition on the 110 freeway.
–A serial killer doesn’t necessarily leave clues that point to his victims– but that’s exactly what you are claiming, as far as i can tell! he’s describing himself? is he a 911 operator?
see again the point that these are not the serial killers in the movie 7 trying to prove their intellectual superiority. they are proving their moral superiority by destroying the enemies. nothing they do is for hidden meaning. they are very blunt in their messages.
the quote above about lessening the sting is very much in agreement with vincenzo when he said (i think more eloquently)
in other words, striving so hard for a longshot conspiracy theory tells more about your worldview than anything else. if you can make a better case, then i think we might be appeased.
i know that you will never be proven wrong, but i also know that you enjoy debate. so in order to support your argument, i think you will have to address the issue of all the other bombings falling on non-important dates.
also explain the grounds for assuming that these people get off on hidden codes.
from there it will be easier to explain how they expect the infidels to catch such a convoluted message as an attack on the MIDDLE EAST falling on a day that has meaning for NORTH AMERICA. but only when transliterated in to EUROPEAN date format.
i imagine that you would say the convoluted message is ok, because it’s for their own private enjoyment (like tagging). if that were so, explain why they would use a number that is only meaningful for their enemies.
Yeah, the terrorists are all 911 operators. Amazing!
The 11.9/9.11 connection — if there is one — need not be connected to the phone number anymore. It’s connected to 2001, which changed the world, and is the reason for the state of affairs in the Middle East right now.
Lastly, there are suicide bombings EVERY DAY in the middle east.
I don’t follow world headlines very closely, so perhaps somebody can tell me: How many of these common bombings in recent years — whether in the Middle East or elsewhere — have had the notable distinction of including, say, no less than three bombs going off in symphonic fashion? Jordan would be one, London on 7/7 of this year would be another, September 2001 comes to mind…
spain train bombings – march 11 four bombs
Sharm el-Sheikh – july 23 three bombs
iraq february 19 (ashoura, a shi’ite holy day) – EIGHT bombs
london july 21 (train bombing plot that was foiled) – four bombs
september 30 baghdad – 3 bombs
if you like, google “multiple bombs” suicide succession, i’m sure you’ll find plenty. multiple bombs going off in quick succession is the signature of al-qaeda.
Well, there we have it:
spain train bombings – march 11 four bombs
3/11. 1 + 1 =2; 3 to the 2nd power = 9.
Sharm el-Sheikh – july 23 three bombs
7/23. 7 + 2 = 9; (7 x 2) – 3 = 11
iraq february 19 (ashoura, a shi’ite holy day) – EIGHT bombs
2/19. (2 x 1) + 9 = 11
london july 21 (train bombing plot that was foiled) – four bombs
7/21. 7 + 2 = 9; (7 x 2) – (2 +1) = 11
september 30 baghdad – 3 bombs
9/30. 30 x 9 = 270; 2 + 7 + 0 = 9; 270 / 9 = 30; 2 (7 + 0) – 3 = 11
Any takers?
let’s not forget the dress rehearsal, the african embassy bombings of the late 90’s (98 or 99, can’t remember exactly), where two US embassies in different African countries were simultaneously blasted by al qaeda in what appears to have been a test of their capabilities to carry off geographically remote time-synched operations. if that date ties in to your theory, which i still think is kind of lamely self-regarding (as though it’s always all about us americans — talk about living up to a negative stereotype!), i’d love to hear more about this. as it is, you haven’t convinced me (or luke, apparently) that this theory is about more than navel-gazing.
by the way, to his credit, the president did just deliver an inspiring speech in PA commemorating veterans’ day, or “remembrance day”, as we canadians (british subjects, actually) call it…
man, if current world events were a thriller movie and you were the detective… if that bunch of arithmetic was the twist ending, i’d want my money back! :))
I can appreciate that. Did you see “The Jacket”?
didn’t see the jacket, but pray tell, what’s the story add up to?
😉
It’s about 9/11ths of the way past a cartload of dung approaching a truckload of manure.
Go figure.
why is it taking so long for my post to get moderated?
It was marked as spam due to the external links contained in it.
The link pointed to this, which is nothing less than riveting:
not sure if “riveting” is meant to be sarcastic…
what we see here is it is against islamic law (obviously moreso for fundamentalists) to utilize our western calendar. they run on a lunar calendar, so although it has twelve months, they don’t line up with our western calendar. their 9 is not our 9, and it would probably dock them one or two virgins in the afterlife if they did send a message using the pagan’s calendar.
on a side note, they say suicide bombers are promised a pack of virgins in heaven for their service. there was a woman bomber in jordan. do they allow lesbians in fundamentalist islam heaven, or do they have some sort of chippendale clause?
If it is indeed against Islamic law to recognize the Western calendar in any way — even if utilized to send a semi-cryptic message to Westerners to whom it’s familiar — then the numerical significance of the 09.11.01 date was either a coincidence or an exception to Islamic protocol. I haven’t spoken with anybody who believes it was the former. It’s also not clear if that’s what you’re suggesting.
A key part of effectively communicating with individuals from a different culture is to use symbology and lingo that they understand, whether it’s part of your own culture or not. I can’t help but thinking of June Cleaver in “Airplane!” right now. Knock yourself a pro, Slick!
The side note certainly provokes thought. Hmmm… how many virgins in a pack again?